Is Allaah the same as what Christians call The Father?

Allaah is the Creator Whom Jesus worshipped. He is the Creator Who spoke to Moses and split the sea for him and his followers. That is Allaah. But Allaah tells us about Himself (what means): "Say “He is Allaah, (Who is) One, Allaah the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent." [Quran 112:1-4].


this is for who don't know…
salam

Though it is called the "Trinity", the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. The one God, in Arabic Allah.

In every human there is the Holy Spirit.

osesame, aren't there still Coptic Churches in Egypt? Try Alexandria.

correction:-
It is not possible to say that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Because the Christians do not worship Allah, The One, who is worshipped by Muslims. They worship Jesus (the prophet), and claim that he is God (Allah). Some of them claim that he is son of God – Allah is High Above what they say – that is why Allah Said about them that they are unbelievers by Saying: {Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allâh is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)….}[5:17].. Allah further Says (interpretation of meaning): {Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)."….}[5:73].

Allah knows best.

 The standard belief is that all the Abrahamic religions worship the same God, just different names.

 Most Protestant Christians do not believe in the Trinity, right?

 Hah, I am trying to remember what I learned in Sunday school.

correction:
It is not possible to say that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
What about this one:
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." (Surah 29, 'Ankabut, verse 46)
You got some explaining to do.

Because the Christians do not worship Allah, The One, who is worshipped by Muslims. They worship Jesus (the prophet), and claim that he is God (Allah).
You do not understand the Trinity.

Some of them claim that he is son of God – Allah is High Above what they say – that is why Allah Said about them that they are unbelievers by Saying: {Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allâh is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)….}[5:17]
What is the Islamic definition of Messiah.

.. Allah further Says (interpretation of meaning): {Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)."….}[5:73].
I do not know of a past or present Christian sect who stated the "Father" was the third of the three.
Let me tune up my guitar to your banjo, it's "Dueling Scripture" time.
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
- Jesus, Matthew 28:19

Allah knows best.
Father knows best? They have that show in Egypt?
I was more of a Donna Reed Show fan; I had a huge crush on Shelly Fabares.

THE TRINITY EXPLAINED TO MUSLIMS

By Abdullah Ibrahim

The Bible categorically pronounces that there is only one God!

Jesus:..."Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Mark 12:29, or Romans 3:29-30, James 2:19)

The Quran too testifies that Jews and Christians, the people of the Book, believe in one God:

And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." (Surah 29, 'Ankabut, verse 46)
CLARIFYING MISUNDERSTANDINGS

The blasphemous idea of Christians worshipping three gods comes from a wrong understanding of the Trinity. In the fifth century AD there was a Christian cult called Maryanya which spread the false belief that Jesus and his mother Mary would be two separate gods besides God. The Quran was right to speak out against such impiety:

And behold! God will say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116)
To say, as the minority cult of the Maryanyas did, that Mary was the mother of God through whom He produced a physical son, and both were to be taken as separate gods besides God, is absurd! This ludicrous and heathen concept of the Trinity is completely condemned by both Islam and Christianity! The Quran rejects it in clear terms in Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171. The Trinity has also been missuderstood to mean that God is three persons and only one person at the same time and in the same sense. Neither are there three substances in one substance. In opposite to this contradictions the Christians definition of the Trinity is expressed in the Athenasian Creed: "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Substance (Essence)" The word "person" is here used in the sense of "self with a particlular function." ("The Illustrated Bible Dictionary" by F.F. Bruce, IVP Leicester, 1962, see "person")

The danger one faces when confronted with extreme or complicated ideas, is, "to throw the baby out with the bath-water," this means to reject everything about a matter, even the true and the good. Here is what C.S. Lewis, professor of Medieval and Renaissance literature at Cambridge University has to say about such an attitude: "If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity, with people who are inventing religions. How Could we? We are dealing with Fact. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about." ( "Mere Christianity", Macmillan Company, New York, 1943, page 145)

The main stream of Christianity throughout all the world believes in one God, the Holy Trinity. It is indeed a mystery, as God Himself is, and as eternity and infinity are. "It is held that although the doctrine is beyond the grasp of human reason, it is, like many of the formulations of physical science, not contrary to reason, and may be apprehended though it may not be comprehended by the human mind." (See, "Encyclopedia Americana", "Trinity", by F.C. Grant, Danbury, Con.: Americana Corp., 1980)

The religion of Islam too faces such intellectual challenges. The Quran speaks about God anthropomorphically (it uses human terms to describe him). Orthodox Muslims do not explain the "how". Similarly, it is a fact that God's word was revealed in a book, but how the infinite can be expressed in the finite is not clarified.

BIBLICAL FACTS

I will tell of the kindnesses of the LORD, the deeds for which he is to be praised, according to all the LORD has done for us – yes, the many good things he has done for the house of Israel, according to his compassion and many kindnesses. He said, "Surely they are my people, sons who will not be false to me"; and so he became their Savior. In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:7-10)
In a number of other verses in the Torah, the Old Testament, (see Genesis 1:2-3, 18:2, 2 Samuel 23:2-3, etc.) the Trinity is alluded to, even though the concept was not recognized as such by the Jews of the Old Testament. The plural Hebrew word "elohim" used for God many times in the Old Testament also points to the Trinity, especially since there is no royal plural of respect in Hebrew.

There are a number of verses in the New Testament that call Jesus and the Holy Spirit God, besides God the Father. (John 8:58, compare with Exodus 3:14; Acts 5:3-4 etc.) In the light of this truth the following verses are understood to be speaking about the Trinity:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular!) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,... (Matthew 28:19)
In Acts 2:38, 8:16, 19:4 People are baptised in the name of Jesus only. Since Jesus is now included in a way he was not in John's baptism (19:4), the abbreviated form is used in the beginning to emphasize the distinctive quality of the new baptism.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (2 Corinthians 13:13)

For more verses speaking about the Trinity when one considers the Biblical context see, Ephesians 4:4-6, 5:18-20, 1 Cor 12:4-6, Romans 8:9-11.

Even tough the word "Trinity" does not literally occur in these passages, nevertheless the concept is quite clearly taught. In Islam too God is called "El Adl", meaning "the Just", "El Wajid", meaning "The Inventor or Maker", "Edh Dhur", meaning "the harmful", etc. in the list of the 99 names of God. However these words are nowhere found in the Quran but Muslims still accept these attributes as belonging to God. (see "The Muslim doctrine of God", by S.M. Zwemer, American tract Society, 1905, pages 39-45)

As seen above, the doctrine of the Trinity is based on Biblical facts and the word itself is first found in writings of the church father Tertullian at the end of the 2nd century. The teaching was officially formulated in the 4th century as a response to false teachings. ("The Illustrated Bible Dictionary" by F.F. Bruce, IVP Leicester, 1962, "Trinity")

ILLUSTRATIONS

In trying to come to terms with this subtlety it will be helpful to realize that everything in this world consists of a kind of Trinity, namely substance, form and purpose! To put this statement to the test let us think of a pencil. Like everything else it is made out of a substance that is formed into something, in our case into a pencil. Its purpose is to enable people to write, in the same way as all other things have some purpose! The geometric illustration of the Trinity is found in a triangle.

The thre corners are inseperable and simultaneous. The one that represents Jesus is touched by a circle that stands for his human nature, whereas the corner indicates his divine nature. (Philipians 2, 5-11) Questions and apparent contradictions regarding Jesus being God (e.g. "How can God eat, die, etc. like Jesus?") are easily solved by taking his two natures into consideration. What he did in one he did not in the other.

St. Augustine compared the Trinity with love that involves a lover, the loved one and a spirit of love beteen them.

It may also be valuable to see the one universe as made of space, matter and time. Time by itself consists of past, present and future. If any one of these is removed then universe and time will cease to be! Fire generates heat and light. Thus fire, with its light and heat is one thing. Multiplicity in unity is a very common phenomena. This kind of spiritual unity which reflects the Biblical understanding of the Trinity is distinguished from mathematical unity where 1+1+1 = 3. In mathematical terms one could compare Trinity with 1×1 x 1 = 1.

"Further, some have pointed to the fact that Muhammad was simultaneously a prophet, a husband, and a leader. Why then should a Muslim reject the idea of a plurality of functions (persons) in God." ("Answering Islam", by N.L. Geisler & Abdul Saleeb) Baker Books U.S.A. 1993, page 269"

He who thinks of God as an absolute unity where there is no room for multiplicity at all, is forced to believe in a god who does not know himself. Self-knowledge demands a distinction, a multiplicity, between knower and known. This brings us to another analogy for the truth of the Trinity, that of man's mind. He has one mind, which is capable of thinking thoughts and expressing them in words. Mind, thoughts and words are one. No one can say that God has no Mind that expresses itself in Thoughts and Words. God in Mind and Thoughts and Words is one God and He never claimed that there would be two other gods beside Him!

The Trinity of Christianity is truly representative of the Mind of God (commonly referred to as God the Father), His Thoughts, (commonly referred to as God the Holy Spirit) and His Word (commonly referred to as God the Son).

In the the Gospel according to John we read:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God. He was with God in the beginning… The Word became flesh (in Jesus) and made his dwelling among us. (John 1:1,14)
The context shows clearly that Jesus is God in the flesh: He was in the beginning, that means he is not created, he is eternal as God is eternal. Verse three states that through Jesus, the Word, all things were made, that means that he is God the Creator.

Some people have doubted that Jesus is really called God in this verse because in the Greek language the first word for "God", "ton theon" is different from the second, "theos". However in Greek it does not suggest this sort of shift in meaning. "This can be seen by reading other passages in the New Testament where "theos" appears in the same context both with and without the definite article, yet with no change in meaning (John 3:2, 13:3, Romans 1:21, 1 Thess. 1:9, Hebrews 9:14, 1 Peter 4:10-11). Whenever the word "theos" is used in the same construction, it always clearly refers to the true God (Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38, John 8:54, Phil. 2:13, Hebrews 11:16)" ("Why you should believe in the Trinity", by R.M.Bowman,Jr., Baker Book House, 1993, pages 93-94)

The "word" proceeds from the "mind". Both words derive their meaning from the Greek original "Logos". The word "Logos" has many meanings. One form "Logo" gives us the English "logic", which means not just ordinary speech (words), but mind expressed or intelligent expression. God created the world by His intelligent Mind, or by His Thoughts, or by His Word, all of which mean the same. For God and His mind are the same being. An example of this is when we say, "We solved the problem with our minds." Is it us who solved it or our minds? Both are the same thing. This distinction between us and our mind is merely intellectual and does not involve separation but difference of function. Likewise, when we speak about God, His Mind of which His Thought and Word proceeds, we are not separating them, but only clarifying the issue.

In the Quran Jesus is called "a Word from God":

Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him; his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God; " (Surah 3, Al-i-'Imran, verse 45)
The English translation uses the relative pronoun "his" to render a masculine personal pronoun in the Arabic language. Since "Kalima" (Arabic for "word") is in the feminine gender it becomes clear that "a word" does not just mean "a word of language" but a person! We also find this clarified in the sayings of one of the Muslim scholars. ("Fusus al Hukm", Part II, pages 13,36, by Al Shaikh Muhyi al Din al 'Arabi)

The Bible speaks about the Holy Spirit being God:

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit… You have not lied to men but to God." (Acts 5:3,4)
In a similar way the Quran (Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171) speaks about Jesus being a Spirit proceeding from God! In other parts people are described as having been strengthened with a spirit from God (Surah 58, Al Mujadilah, verse 22). At the creation Allah has breathed into man of His spirit (Surah 15, Al-Hijr, verse 29), but Jesus only IS the Spirit from Allah!

This is why Islamic tradition calls Jesus "Ruhullah", that means "Spirit of Allah". Neither the Spirit of Allah (the Thoughts) nor the Word (the mind expressed) of Him can have been created since whatever proceeds from God Himself is part of Him and must therefore have existed eternally. If God was without Mind at any time He would not be God; or if he was without Thoughts at any time He would cease to be the Almighty One which is impossible! Muslim theology confirms this belief by stating that the Quran is uncreated and has existed in eternity with God. There again we find plurality within unity, something that is other then God but it is at the same time one with God.

http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/trinit.htm

The standard belief is that all the Abrahamic religions worship the same God, just different names.

Or the same word in different languages.
 Most Protestant Christians do not believe in the Trinity, right?

No, most do believe in the Trinity.

Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism

 Hah, I am trying to remember what I learned in Sunday school.

I had trouble with the Trinity. I was baptized Methodist and our motto is "we may not all believe the same way but everyone is welcome". All people should be welcome at a place of worship. Yes, even them heathen atheist types. My best friend is atheist.

I graduated from a Roman Catholic University; I enjoyed my time there. I had a priest tell me to f – off, we both laughed. I also told a nun if she was ever lonely after vespers that I was the guy to call. She said I couldn't handle her, I still laugh about that one. Talk about OWNED.

Yep..I think they are same… Becasue they think Prophet Isa ( Jesus) is Allah's son..

Do you know Meryem (Holy Virgin) ? and abour her life?

She was virgin..But had a baby, Jesus!  Christians think that Jesus was Allah's son..

There are 3 important thing for them.. Father, Son and Holy Spirit…

Father is Allah (God)

Son is Jesus

Holy Spirit = Hmm I can't introduce it clearly..I think it is an important angell.. Maybe they say it for something like '' Cebrail''

U know Cebrail ?? In Islam there are 4 holy angel..

Azrail = Takes souls

Cebrail = Give the revelations from Allah to the prophets.

Mikail = Control the all events about weather..

Israfil = This angel will ring the sura when Qıyamet happens!

Anway… Turn back to the real topic….Becasue some of this informaitons weren't about real topic :) But i just wanted to give them to introduce my religlion to the others. :))

I think ''Father'' is Allah for Christians..!

First of all, thanx Nu Poqodi for making things clear. At last a Christian said that this wrong theory of Trinity is not accepted in Christianity too. Quran says the same.

 4.171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs 

5.72. They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

42.13. The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the which We have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

9.31. They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

And what Holy Quran says about Jesus Christ, his birth and life I can give the following verses as examples:

19.27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

19.28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"

19.29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

19.30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

19.31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

19.32. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

19.33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 

19.34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. So many times it was stated in Quran that the people of Book must worship the same God- Allah, who sent the Prophets and Holy Books. He who deny Jesus Christ (and all 127 000 Prophets) as a Prophet, and Torah or Bible  as a holy book sent by Allah is not a Muslim.

god is one and the same but concepts are not.i had troubles with the trinity,too .and i can't understand it.multiplicity is not contradictory with the god being one.god has different qualities and manifestations.some names of  god are mentioned in the quran  while others are made from some qualities mentioned in the quran too.it's human's work and we can believe or not.some islamic scholars critisize some names.but,trinity is not only a description of god.it's  worshiping 3 in 1.the devinity is for no human and jesus is human.every thing in life is by couples to show that god is  unique.He is one.we can't limit multiplicity to the number 3.jesus is a messanger  and his mother is a real believer.god who created adam without parents can create jesus without a father.

the  concept of the trinity   didn't exist until ROme became christian and Romans used to believe in several gods.many famous priests resisted that idea.some christians still believe that god is one and jesus is his messanger.

i 've never understood the genealogy of jesus in the bible.why  it's not from his mother's side but from his mother's future husband's side? for me it's illogical.

First of all, thanx Nu Poqodi for making things clear. At last a Christian said that this wrong theory of Trinity is not accepted in Christianity too.

There have been many views of what the Trinity is. Some were viewed as heretical; depending on the era, this could mean death.
I had a problem with it, "had" in past tense; about 25 years ago. I have made peace with that conflict.

The real difference is how Jesus is viewed. To Christians, Jesus was the "Incarnation" of God. In Islam, Jesus was a prophet.

The Incarnation
http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/christianity/incarnation.html

The Trinity
http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/christianity/trinity.html

the  concept of the trinity   didn't exist until ROme became christian and Romans used to believe in several gods.
Some say the concept is implied throughout the Bible, long before Rome became Christian.
In every culture that composed the Roman Empire, there were Christian churches. The Council of Nicea was an attempt to bring them all under one belief, most likely for political reasons.
See also "The Great Schism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Schism

many famous priests resisted that idea.
Which ones?

some christians still believe that god is one and jesus is his messanger.
In North America alone there are over 1500 Christian denominations.

i 've never understood the genealogy of jesus in the bible.why  it's not from his mother's side but from his mother's future husband's side? for me it's illogical.
Mary's family and Joseph's family were of the tribe of Judah.
The book of Luke records the lineage of Mary; Luke 3:23-38