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The role of women in Islam has been misunderstood in the West because of general ignorance of the Islamic system and way of life as a whole, and because of the distortions of the media.

The Muslim woman is accorded full spiritual and intellectual equality with man, and is encouraged to practice her religion and develop her intellectual faculties throughout her life. In her relations with men both are to observe modesty of behavior and dress and a strict code of morality which discourages unnecessary mixing of the sexes. Her relations with her husband should be based on mutual love and compassion. He is responsible for the maintenance of the wife and children, and she is to give him the respect due to the head of the family. She is responsible for the care of home and the children's early training. She may own her own property, run her own business and inherit in her own right.

She may not be married without being consulted and is able to obtain divorce. The system of limited polygamy can be seen to have its uses which may be in the interests of women as well as men. Finally she can look forward to an old age in which she is respected and shown every care by her children and by the society as a whole.

It would appear therefore that the Islamic system has achieved the right mixture of freedom and security that women seek and that is in the interest of the society as a whole. [As I mentioned at the start of this paper,] I have given the relevant quotations directly from the Qur'an and hadith since these are obviously the most authentic sources. If at different times and in different places these principles and laws have sometimes been distorted, ignored or flouted, it is not the principles and laws which are at fault, but man's selfishness which sometimes leads them to distort, ignore and flout what they do not like, and turn aside from the truth.

Fortunately no one has changed or can change the words of the Qur'an, and the regulations for the protection of women which were revealed in the 7th century can be easily verified by anyone in the 20th century, as we have just been doing. I believe that these laws and social regulations regarding women contain certain fundamental truths which will benefit whoever applies them. The present time of widespread rethinking of the role and rights of women is perhaps the appropriate time to look with fresh eyes at the Islamic point of view, which has contributed to the formation of stable societies in both sophisticated and underdeveloped peoples in vast areas of the world over the past fourteen centuries, which has retained the continuity of its principles, and from which the Western world may have something to learn.

taken from website.

More lies from another Islamo-Fascist trying to convert people to Islam.

Women are not encouraged to develop intellectually. Look at the Taliban.

Why are women told to dress modestly whilst men are not? This is a clear example of how Islam does NOT treat men and women the same.

"She may not be married without being consulted." Depends on what you term a 'consultation'. A true consultation would involve asking her (without pressure) if she even wants to be married and at least providing some information about her husband. This is often NOT done within Islam.

As for care in old age, if that were the case, why are there so many old women begging on the streets of Muslim cities?

"the right mixture of freedom and security that women seek"? Complete rubbish.

Ah yes, the old argument that any failures in the system are due to human error. Once again, are these people who commit the human errors to be considered Muslims or not? The Islamo-Fascists on this site have clearly stated that to be a Muslim only requires prayer to Allah.

No-one has changed the words of the Koran? Really? How do you know? Were you there at the beginning? How do you know that "human error" wasn't involved somewhere between an illiterate Arab being given the Koran and the Koran actually being written?

Islamic law is, to be honest, a disgrace in the way that different punishments are handed out to men and to women. Sexist rubbish!

"... the appropriate time to look with fresh eyes at the Islamic point of view, which has contributed to the formation of stable societies …" Yeah, like Somalia and Sudan and Afghanistan under the Taliban. Brilliant!

I agree that the West has something to learn from Islam – notably how NOT to do things.

to Mark,
Hii :) in you all comments you seem against Islam!! but i don't see a reason for hating The Islam you know we recpect your believes and you too have to respect ours with all my respect to you and your religion, but if you hate any religion hate it in your heart with out saying it infront of the people who believe in it bcuz it'll hurt them and this is exactlly how i felt when you said : " MORE LIES FROM ANOTHER ISLAMO FASCIST trying to convert people to ISLAM" and for the record they're NOT LIES, they're the most trully things that i've ever heard .

Anyway thnx Muslima alot i really liked your topic :)  shokran kteeer elek kteeer 7eloo elmawdoo3 ^^.

Markchina  be sure , Islam or any other religion don't allow by accepting crazy one like you

who has mind has been corrupted by the Jewish-fascist propaganda , drugs and alcohol

salam

markchina i want to ask u 

just say no or yes 

u hate islam?

He hates himself and all religious people ,  he is  mentally ill…read his trash in all threads   He is simply Jewish -fascist and racist

Thanks for your posts, none of which address any of the issues I have raised, thereby probably proving my point! Thanks again and be sure to come again soon and post more of your drivel.

I find the extent to which this forum is becoming "Islam Talk!" rather funny.

I think the assumption that because Markchina takes up a position against Islam he must be a Jewish fascist is an example of the negative stereotyping, divorced from reality, which is causing one-half the trouble in the Middle East right now.

Also, I think the terms 'racist' and 'fascist' are being misapplied by people on both sides.  Racism is belief in the inherent, biological supremacy of one group of people over another on the basis of race, not creed.  Some form of cultural/religious supremacism is definitely being demonstrated by some of the Muslim posters here, but unless it is on the basis of race and genetics rather than religious doctrine, it's not racism.  (Nor is opposition to Islam racism, mind.)

By a similar token, if you insist on using the term "Islamo-Fascism" (I don't like the term 'fascism' in general because it has become so widely used as to be a virtually meaningless epithet meaning 'government that I, the speaker, don't like'), then at the very least, limit its usage to attempts to create Islamic governments subject to the Sharia law system – any attempt at conversion is not, by nature, an Islamofascist act so much as an evangelistic act.  The same applies to 'Jewish fascist' – which is, lets admit it, an entirely meaningless term as respects anything except (possibly, some might argue) the governance of the state of Israel.

On the subject at hand, muslima (or any of your creed), one thing I don't understand is how the system of 'limited polygamy' has any benefit for the women – and you don't provide any evidence in your post.

Could you provide some reasons for this?  I think it's a stretch. 

well people like me, you know MUSLIMS don't care what others think about our religion, and personally I'm SOO PROUD TO BE MUSLIM,

M.Augustus – I have absolutely no problem with your wish not to apply the term 'fascist' to people who simply want to convert others. Wishing to convert people to your religion is in no way a fascist act in itself, unless applied with force (e.g. a gun to the head).

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race."

Therefore, I looked up 'race'.

From dictionary.com again … "Race … any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race." Cultural traits would have to include religion. We can certainly talk of the Jewish race, so defining Muslims as a race seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Fascism is most clearly associated with authoritarianism and racism and the authoritarianism and racism of a group of clergy fit the description just as well as the authoritarianism and racism of a group of politicians.

On that basis, I have absolutely NO problem labelling several Muslims on this forum as racist Islamo-Fascists. None.

They are racists and I will call them on it. They assume that as Westerners we will simply say "Oh, it's your religion, so it's OK", but I firmly believe that such appeasement fails. It failed with Hitler.

The Muslims on this forum have, several times, applied one standard to themselves and another standard to the rest of us.

They have stated and happily restated that their religion is the only true one, which clearly suggests that it is superior to all other beliefs. Some of the people I happily label Islamo-Fascists have even actually said that their religion is superior. That is a racist thing to say. (Altenatively, if it is not, I'll be coming out with radical "non-racist" statements of my own very soon!)

I sincerely hope that not all Muslims are racists, but where are they? Not here on Ebaby!

All I request is a clear statement from those I label racist Islamo-Fascists that includes a) an apology for even suggesting that they are in any way superior to other people, b) a statement that they do not believe their beliefs to be superior to those of others and c) a statement that they firmly believe all beliefs should be treated in the same way.

Any reasonable, non-racist person would agree within seconds to do that. I have now been asking for such an apology for weeks. It has not been forthcoming, which, as I have stated, very, very clearly indicates racism on the part of those people.

princeton girl – If you don't care what other people think of your religion, good-bye from this thread!